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Thanks.
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Off Topic / Re: Older wagon and emigrant trails
« Last post by Parsa on July 09, 2013, 10:22:28 PM »
You need to talk to Chris Wray about the station. He was involved in finding the real station location, as well as tracing the path of the trail across the desert.
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Here is my 2nd segment of what I have listed on the old ACSC map code system. Any updates & opinions are always welcome!

  101-102          N.A.
  103              Pasadena to Top of Mount Wilson              1913                  Card strip map 37
  104              N.A.
  105              Needles to Kingman                           N.A.                  Card strip map 51
  106              Kingman to peach springs                     N.A.                  Card strip map 52
  107              Peach Springs to Williams                    N.A.                  Card strip map 53
  108              Seligman to Williams #4                      1913                  Card strip map 54
  109              San Francisco to Livermore #1                1913                  Card strip map 69
  110              Livermore to Stockton   #2                   1913                  Card strip map 67
  111-129          N.A.
  130              Rts from San Joaquin to Yosemite             1913                  Card strip map 55
  131-132          N.A.
  133              Merced to Snelling #1                        1913                  Card strip map 56
  134              Snelling to Coulterville  #2                 1913                  Card strip map 57
  135              Coulterville to Hazel Ck and El Portal #3    1913                  Card strip map 58             
  136              Hazel Green to Yosemite #4                   1913                  Card strip map 59
  137              N.A
  138              Los Angeles to Ventura                       1913                  Card strip map 91
  139              Ventura to los Olivos                        N.A.                  Card strip map 92
  140              Los Olivos to san Luis Obispo                N.A.                  Card strip map 93
  141              San Luis Obispo to Jolon                     N.A.                  Card strip map 94
  142              Jolon to Salinas                             N.A.                  Card strip map 95
  143              Salinas to San Jose                          1913                  Card strip map 96
  144              San Jose to San Francisco                    N.A.                  Card strip map 97
  145-159          N.A.
  160              Los Angeles to Santa Ana                     1913                  Card strip map 10
  161              Santa Ana to Oceanside                       N.A                   Card strip map 11
  162              Oceanside to San Diego                       1913                  Card strip map 12
  163              Los Angeles to Points in Southwestern Nevada 11/14/13              Touring topics map
  164-167          N.A.
  168              San Diego to Campo                           N.A.                  Card strip maps 66, 98
  169              Campo to El centro                           N.A.                  Card strip map 99
  170-173          N.A.
  174              Los Angeles to Venice and Santa Monica       1914                  Card strip map 49
  175              San Bernardino to Victorville                1914                  Card strip map 49
  176              Victorville to Barstow                       1914                  Card strip map 49A
  177-183          N.A.
  184              Los Angeles to Pomona                        6/13/12-11/10/20      Card strip maps 35, 60
  185              Pomona to Colton                             1916                  Card strip map 61
  186              Colton to Banning                            N.A.                  Card strip map 62
  187              Banning to Mecca                             3/23                  Card strip map 63
  188              Mecca to Brawley                             4/23                  Card strip map 64
  189              Brawley to Yuma via Glamis                   3/23                  Card strip map 65
  190-194          N.A.
                   L.A. to Neighboring Beach Cities             9/23/12               Card strip map 18
  195              Los Angeles to the Beaches                   1920                  Newmark (Montebello) & Harper (Costa Mesa) changed names in 1920
  196-197          N.A.
  198              Riverside to Fallbrook                       N.A.                  Card strip map 14
  199              Fallbrook to San Diego                       N.A.                  Card strip map 15
  200              Los Angeles to Sierra Madre                  1914-10/27            Card strip map 23
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Off Topic / Re: Older wagon and emigrant trails
« Last post by ACSC Collector on July 08, 2013, 03:46:11 PM »
Speaking about old Butterfield stations along the old Emigrant route, One thing comes to mind is the old San Felipe station. I have been doing some research of this locality and know it is not to be confused with the newer San Felipe few miles further up the canyon. The original station was closer to Scissors Crossing either on or just a bit further NW of the intersection. This place was first settled back in the Mexican era and was well visited as a relief from the Anza Borrego desert. Unlike the more popular stations of Oak Grove, Warner's Ranch and Carrizo, this station seems to have very little written history about it and even more, any physical evidence of it's existence save the old maps that locate it. I do believe some Thomas Guides have it located but the accuracy is quite debatable.
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Whatever method works for you, I'd be happy and interested in viewing them.
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El Camino Real in California / Re: Another day at the Auto club archives
« Last post by Parsa on July 07, 2013, 12:07:12 PM »
Very nice. Do you personally own all those? It seems you have several in that set that I don't have examples or scans of. I have most of the cards after #168, however the earlier ones are either scans of cards from the archives or from Touring Topics articles.
Looking at your list, I don't have images of 4A, 13, 14A, 27A, 34, 44, 56, 59, 61, 62, 64, 65, 67, 68, 72, 76, 80, 90, and 91.

I also have a few relatively old cards with no map numbers. The two maps from the series "Stockton to Yosemite via Oakdale and Groveland" (series number 51 and 52) have circles in the corner, but no number in them.

Steve
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El Camino Real in California / Re: Another day at the Auto club archives
« Last post by ACSC Collector on July 07, 2013, 10:03:01 AM »
Ok,

I have revised the list of the first 100 map numbers due to new data added. I do not think I had added any new map numbers but was able to clean up some errors thanks to upgrading the USC digital archives.

Map Number         Description                                  Dates                 Notes

    1-4            N.A.
    4A             Portland, Or. via Mount Hood Loop            N.A.                  Touring Topics map
    5-12           N.A.
   13              Los Angeles to Santa Ana                     N.A.                  Card strip map 13, 160
   14              N.A.
   14A             Winatchee to Pateros, Wa.                    N.A.                  Card strip map
   15-27           N.A.
   27A             In and Out of Los Angeles                    1913                  Map found in "Los Angeles in Maps" by Glen Creason 2010
   28-33           N.A.
   34              Pendleton to Willows, Or.                    N.A.                  Card strip map
   35-43           N.A
   44              Rts of E. Calif. And W Nevada                1913                  Card strip map 90
   45              Los Angeles to Altadena                      5/4/12                Card strip map 36
   46              Los Angeles to Monrovia Canyon               5/6/1912              Card strip map 11
   47              Los Angeles to San Gabriel Canyon            5/7/12                Card strip map 14
   48              N.A.
   49              Los Angeles to Camp Baldy                    5/18/12               Card strip map 10
   50              Auto Rtes Between L.A., S.D. & Yuma          N.A.                  Card strip map 32
   51              N.A.
   52              Los Angeles to san Dimas Canyon              5/23/1912             Card strip map 12
   53              Auto Touring Rtes to Arrowhead Springs       N.A.                  Card Strip map
   54              N.A.
   55              Los Angeles to santa Ana & Return            1912                  Card strip map 9
   56              Los Angeles to Topanga Canyon                6/9/12-1915           Card strip map 3, 87
   57              Los Angeles to Placerita Canyon              6/8/12                Card strip map 88
   58              N.A.
   59              Los Angeles to Pico & Wiley Canyons          6/17/12               Card strip map 89
   60              Los Angeles to San Fernando Valley           1912                  Card strip map 19
   61              L.A. to Redlands & Riverside                 6/28/12               Card strip map 33
   62              Los Angeles to crag's Country Club           6/27/12               Card strip map 8
   63              L.A. to Sunland, La Crescenta & La Canada    6/26/12               Card strip map 4
   64              Los Angeles to Bakersfield                   7/2/12                Card strip map 25
   65              Bakersfield to Kerrville                     7/3/12                Card strip map 5
   66              Los Angeles to Haiwee                        1912                  Card strip map 38
   67              Haiwee to Mono Lake Pt 2                     1912                  Card strip map 39
   68              Mono Lake to Lake Tahoe                      1912                  Card strip map 40
   69-71           N.A.
   72              Lemon Cover to Sanger                        1912                  Card strip map 26
   73-75           N.A.
   76              Auto Rts between LA and San Diego            1912                  Card strip map 31
   77              N.A
   78              Auto Rtes. Between L.A. & San Diego          N.A.                  Card Strip map
   79              Rtes. From L.A. to San Francisco             N.A.                  Card strip map 24
   80              Auto Roads of Yosemite NP                    1912                  Card strip map 44
   81              Los Angeles to Ventura                       8/18/12               Card strip map 20
   82              Auto Roads of San Diego County               N.A.                  Card strip map 2
   83-89           N.A
   90              Rts from Sacramento to Reno/LT               1912                  Card strip map 29
   91              Rts from San Francisco to Sacramento         1913                  Card strip map 28
   92              Los Angeles to Daggett                       N.A.                  Card Strip map
   93              Barstow & Daggett to Needles                 N.A.                  Card Strip map
   94-99           N.A.
  100              Redlands to Pine Knot Lodge & Big Bear Lake  1913                  Card strip map 41
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El Camino Real in California / Re: Another day at the Auto club archives
« Last post by ACSC Collector on July 04, 2013, 08:47:25 PM »
OK, here are the first 100 maps listed in my files. I can send segments from time to time since there are over 2,000 map numbers to categorize. Steve please give me your input since this is probably the most complete list outside the USC archives.

Map Number         Discription                                  Dates                 Notes

    1-4            N.A.
    4A             Portland, Or. via Mount Hood Loop            N.A.                  Touring Topics map
    5-12           N.A.
   13              Los Angeles to Santa Ana                     N.A.                  Card strip map 13, 160
   14              N.A.
   14A             Winatchee to Pateros, Wa.                    N.A.                  Card strip map
   15-27           N.A.
   27A             In and Out of Los Angeles                    1913                  Map found in "Los Angeles in Maps" by Glen Creason 2010
   28-33           N.A.
   34              Pendleton to Willows, Or.                    N.A.                  Card strip map
   35-43           N.A
   44              Rts of E. Calif. And W Nevada                1913                  Card strip map 90
   45              Los Angeles to Altadena                      5/4/12                Card strip map 36
   46              Los Angeles to Monrovia Canyon               5/6/1912              Card strip map 11
   47              Los Angeles to San Gabriel Canyon            5/7/12                Card strip map 14
   48              N.A.
   49              Los Angeles to Camp Baldy                    5/18/12               Card strip map 10
   50              Auto Rtes Between L.A., S.D. & Yuma          N.A.                  Card strip map 32
   51              N.A.
   52              Los Angeles to san Dimas Canyon              5/23/1912             Card strip map 12
   53              Auto Touring Rtes to Arrowhead Springs       N.A.                  Card Strip map
   54              N.A.
   55              Los Angeles to santa Ana & Return            1912                  Card strip map 9
   56              Los Angeles to Topanga Canyon                6/9/12                Card strip map 3
   57              Los Angeles to Placerita Canyon              6/8/12                Card strip map 88
   58              L.A. to Topanga Canyon                       N.A.                  Card strip map 3
   59              Los Angeles to Pico & Wiley Canyons          6/17/12               Card strip map 89
   60              Los Angeles to San Fernando Valley           1912                  Card strip map 19
   61              Auto Rts from L.A. to Redlands & Riverside   6/28/12               Card strip map 33
   62              Los Angeles to crag's Country Club           6/27/12               Card strip map 8
   63              L.A. to Sunland, La Crescenta & La Canada    6/26/12               Card strip map 4
   64              Los Angeles to Bakersfield                   7/2/12                Card strip map 25
   65              Bakersfield to Kerrville                     7/3/12                Card strip map 5
   66              Los Angeles to Haiwee                        1912                  Card strip map 38
   67              Haiwee to Mono Lake Pt 2                     1912                  Card strip map 39
   68              Mono Lake to Lake Tahoe                      1912                  Card strip map 40
   69-71           N.A.
   72              Lemon Cover to Sanger                        1912                  Card strip map 26
   73-75           N.A.
   76              Auto Rts between LA and San Diego            1912                  Card strip map 31
   77              N.A
   78              Auto Rtes. Between L.A. & San Diego          N.A.                  Card Strip map
   79              Rtes. From L.A. to San Francisco             N.A.                  Card strip map 24
   80              Auto Roads of Yosemite NP                    1912                  Card strip map 44
   81              Los Angeles to Ventura                       8/18/12               Card strip map 20
   82              Auto Roads of San Diego County               N.A.                  Card strip map 2
   83-89           N.A
   90              Rts from Sacramento to Reno/LT               1912                  Card strip map 29
   91              Rts from San Francisco to Sacramento         1913                  Card strip map 28
   92              Los Angeles to Daggett                       N.A.                  Card Strip map
   93              Barstow & Daggett to Needles                 N.A.                  Card Strip map
   94-99           N.A.
  100              Redlands to Pine Knot Lodge & Big Bear Lake  1913                  Card strip map 41
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El Camino Real in California / Re: Another day at the Auto club archives
« Last post by ACSC Collector on July 02, 2013, 06:54:41 PM »
Thank you Steve for the link. I will try to email Morgan again to see when it would be best to visit. I also would like to visit the old historic ACSC headquarters next door. I think it would be an asset for me since I might be able to locate map numbers of maps in my collection that were later revised without a date code. In fact I have, for example, two exact maps of Pasadena with Ramona Acres printed on one while the other has the modern Monterey Park on the other. All of the roads are printed the same. To I.D. the map dates was to look on the web page on the history of Monterey Park and find out when Ramona Park changed it's name. Thus I was able to get a pretty good estimate on the map date. I also have the same thing on a set of 3 maps of Orange county. One showing the proposed McArthur Blvd. another without and one showing the completed route. I am still trying to find out the history on its construction. Then I could find a more precise date of my maps
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Steve, The volume of my attachments are too large for this website. I would like to share them but I will have to send through a different source. Please let me know if you wish to view them.
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